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The Queensland Tubular Chassis Mystery
After many months of delicate negotiations, Graeme Jarrett came into the possession of the chassis you see here. He writes: “The remains of this early tubular chassis car was found in North Queensland (Australia - Bowen/Townsville area) thirty years ago. Believed to be circa 1903, it’s relatively small (wheelbase approximately 5’-1” - 1550mm. Track 3’-9” - 1150mm) and appears to have had an underslung radiator at front. The offset differential drive suggests an indirect final drive gearbox. The front dumb-iron is stamped Z2-5283. I have a thought that the chassis and front axle are French manufacture while the differential is in imperial measurements suggesting British manufacture for that item. Perhaps it carried a British name? Many makes have already been suggested including L&B, Ariel, New Orleans and Jackson, but so far I’m unable to rule out (or in) any of these.” Who can help establish the identity of this chassis? Contact us! (Editor: non-Australians might wonder about this strange device in Graeme’s backyard. If so, check out this Australian icon!)
Airflow of Carioca? Who was First? (UPDATE II: the Budd connection)
Chrysler’s Airflow we all know, but Carioca? Sure, a swinging Latin dance, but also a nickname for Volvo’s first attempt at streamlining. Designed by Ivan Örnberg, an engineer who had worked for the Hupp Motor Co. in Detroit, the PV36 as it was officially named, came on the market in 1935. It is often said that Örnberg copied the Airflow, which appeared one year earlier, but this is unlikely as the lead time for designing a car from scratch is certainly more than a year. Örnberg left Hupp in 1931, so it’s more likely that he knew of early discussions about streamlining that resulted in the Hupmobile Aerodynamic (kitfoster.com), also introduced in 1934. Yet there’s almost no resemblance between the Volvo and the Hupmobile. True, it can be said the Airflow and the Carioca do have a certain likeness, but that’s perhaps due to the influence the famous Raymond Loewy began to have on industrial designing and streamlining in the early thirties. It may even be so that Örnberg and Loewy knew each other as Loewy also worked for Hupp in 1930/1931. What do you think? (photos courtesy Volvo Car Corporation)

Update II by Hugh Nutting: "In the early 1930s Budd Company began building concept cars that had much to do with the "airflow" look. Their ideas were used for the Chrysler Airflow and the Lincoln Zephyr. As an International business, Budd made auto body stampings for the UK and Euro countries. Pressed Steel Company-UK and Ambi-Budd in Germany that also supplied France. Their design research ideas were offered to their many customers. Hupp was also a Budd customer."
Update by Barrie Down: “Streamlining was certainly not new in 1934. Tatra announced their T77 in March 1934 based on their 1931 prototype, probably the first series production streamliner. However... Read more
About Quiz # 267 <br> 1898 Hay & Hotchkiss
This was one of those quizzes for which you either knew the answer or you didn’t as nobody hazarded a guess! We received six answers, all of them correct. The replies came from Chris Paulsen, Charles Wilmarth, Francisco Carrion, Luke Chennell, George Albright and Peter Martin all identifying our quiz car as an 1898 Hay & Hotchkiss. But it was Chris’s answer that told us all we wanted to know: “It is an 1898 Hay & Hotchkiss, built in New Haven, Connecticut by Walter Hay and Emerson Hotchkiss. The Hay & Hotchkiss Co had approximately 12-20 employees and built buggies and carriages except for this one auto. The engine is the frictionless gasolene motor; a 4-cylinder opposed, 8-cycle, air-cooled engine. It is now part of the Fountainhead Antique Auto Museum in Fairbanks, Alaska.“ Congratulations Chris on your second win! The T-shirt will be on it’s way. See you all next week with another quiz. (Thanks to Malcolm Jeal who found a description of the Hay & Hotchkiss in a rare copy of ‘The Horseless Age’ and also thanks to “Banjo Bob” Apalsch for the photos)
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What happened to Ines Folville's portret ? (UPDATE: also Amilcar)
This a low resolution picture of the lost painting by Heinrich Gottselig, Frankfurt am Main, September 1925. The lady in the picture is racing driver Ines Keil-Folville , who was very successful with cars of the so far to us unknown marque Steiger (in German, but fabulous website!). Today's feature is a request by Annette C. Müller who describes the colours of the original painting from childhood memory: "We know, that the colours were reddish, the car is red, she wore a kind of yellow trench coat, the picture has strong bright warm colours, that's all we remember." Annette hopes to find back the painting of her racing great-grandmother. "The painting was sold in Frankfurt am Main when my great-grandmother died in 1980. Her daughter, my grandmum, just sold nearly everything, without asking us. It was such a shame, unfortunately we only got to know about it when everything was already sold. So it must have been one of those salesmen who buys estates." Please let us know, if you have seen the painting or know about its whereabouts.

Update by Detlef Kayser: "Ines was not only succesful with Steiger cars but as well with an Amilcar CGSs!"
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